Canceld - Live Holy Hour 4:00-5:00, Sunday, Dec 27 - Bloomington It remains directly abusive for a group of friars, of whichever Order, to seek to extract themselves from the Authority of their Diocesan Ordinary, as was established in the Canon Law if I remember correctly roughly in the period of the Council of Trent (and for nuns, since the Middle Ages). Now other Orders are also in the crosshairs, especially contemplative nuns. This is not the time to go into a complicated discussion on Vatican Two, and I know that there are many in the Church who are of the opinion that V2 did indeed attempt to redefine certain doctrines. He could not have accomplished that without, one complicit Pontiff, And the irony is, having gotten his way with the order, he then chose to leave it anyway. The Order of Friars Minor (OFM) or Franciscan Friars, founded by St. Francis of Assisi, give themselves totally to God in obedience, poverty, and chastity. And of course, the great majority of the friars who were/are giving the TLM had no involvement whatsoever with the abuses in question, which from all that I have heard were limited to a small area in northern Italy, and nowhere else. what exactly are doctrines that are ‘dogmatic in purpose’? Not mine.). OTOH, if a priest were to commit real heretical “abuses” or changes to the TLM, he would be inventing a cult of his own making, a different thing altogether, and it would no longer be the Mass of the Ages. In fact, the Order in its local chapters practices either the TLM or the NO or both as the case may be. The conversion into an Ecclesia Dei community was prohibited as well as the founding of a new order. He seems to delight in speaking half truths,rendered so by his inability or reluctance to speak with clarity. Those young people and not so young, who have had no experience of the Church pre Vat II, have arrived at their conclusions by the extraordinary fruits of God’ Grace. held his protective hand over the Order, which seemed to become as unique and interesting a model as it was to young members of other orders. It needed a sledge hammer of Graces to convince me otherwise. The Friars in the work of Religious Education and Catechesis, Activism and Workaholism in the Busy Cities of Manila and Quezon…, The Ninth Annual Patronal Feast of the Church of Mary Coredemptrix, Activism and Workaholism in the Busy Cities of Manila and Quezon City, Twenty-Five Years of Religious Profession and Service, A Précis of St. Alphonsus Liguori’s Treatise on Spiritual Direction, In Defense of the Virgin Birth of Our Savior, Catholic Radio: The Instrument of the New Evangelization, Twenty Years of Broadcast Service: A message and appeal, Radio Caritas Mariae – History and Vision. If you want to slander someone, it is sufficient to incorporate these keywords and to drop some allusions in the subjunctive. The Franciscans of the Immaculate became the first and so far only new religious order, which has returned to the traditional rite, but remained pastoral and bi-ritual. This is a lie. That tradition and the Immemorial Rite is the real enemy became more and more clear, if there was any need for further proof. As Commissar, the Congregation of Religious used the Capuchin, Father Fidenzio Volpi. I read your Italian link (with the help of Google translate) and I can only wonder if your Italian is as good as you pretend! The humble Friars at Gosport, England, manage to survive only thanks to the goodness of a sympathetic bishop. Loredana Volpi, a niece of the deceased commissar, saw the reputation of her uncle damaged. ( Log Out / Or a gross exaggeration? To suggest otherwise, as Loredana Volpi did in her book (that she has since then rectified) is a libellous claim. Manelli is 85 years old and has been under house arrest for nearly five years, as ordered by the Vatican. The Franciscans of the Immaculate were founded by the two Franciscan friars, Fr. (born I suggest from the lack of an historical insight into the Church and subsequent inability to discern) Stefano Maria Manelli and Fr. There, they did not seek to subject their religious rule to an “aggiornamento” but to build on the first Franciscan rule of the order and deepen Marian spirituality. Dear Jabba, I make no attempt to second guess what you think. Stefano Maria Manelli and Fr. The Court of Avellino ruled that there had been no misconduct of any kind by Fr. Stephano Maria Manelli and Fr. ( Log Out / The consequences did not remain: the first was the drying up of the vocations. Whereas, therefore, either through the wickedness of the times, or through the carelessness and Corruption of men, many things seem already to have crept in, which are alien from the dignity of so great a sacrifice; to the end that the honour and cult due thereunto may, for the glory of God and the edification of the faithful people, be restored; the holy Synod decrees, that the ordinary bishops of places shall take diligent care, and be bound to prohibit and abolish all those things which either covetousness, which is a serving of idols, or irreverence, which can hardly be separated from impiety; or superstition, which is a false imitation of true piety, may have introduced. Their rule of life is the Regula Bullata of Saint Francis of Assisi according to the Traccia Mariana. The meeting took place in the chapel of St. Martha Guest House and lasted about 90 minutes. Card. They had abandoned the Catholic Faith and the strict rubrics set out by the Church that protect the TLM from being abused. By contrast, Commissioner Volpi has been long dead. Manelli to be received and heard by the Pope were not answered by Francis. Since 1855, the Franciscan friars of Immaculate Conception Province have striven to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ, following the example of our Seraphic Father, St. Francis. Trans: Tancred email@example.com For, “even the devil can cite Scripture to his purposes”, (as quoted by Antonio in ‘The Merchant of Venice’). First of all, the FFI requested the general public should not “intervene”, nor “comment” on their situation, ONLY AT THE VERY BEGINNING, in 2013, when Pope Francis first sent Fr Fidenzio Volpi in as Commissioner of their Order. The Mission Of The Franciscans Of The Immaculate The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate are a contemplative-active Religious Institute of Pontifical Rite founded by Father Stefano Maria Manelli and Father Gabriele Maria Pellettieri. Since you are clearly a modernist heretic who places no value on truth, please take your own advice and refrain from commenting. Benedict XVI. The Traditional Latin Mass has to follow a strict and limited set of rubrics that safeguards it from the multiple abuses (presumably) permitted in the Novus Ordo Mass. St Peter Damian - some quotes to "damnable sodomites", Our Lady of La Salette: A Fearful Warning and a Prophecy, The Saints of Wuhan: Isolation, Suffering, and the Breath of Faith, Francis Formally Strips Secretariat Of State Of Assets, Pope Francis: Let us Dream of a New World Order. So far there was no possibility for the Franciscans of Immaculate to defend themselves against the oppressive measures of the papacy or at least to defend themselves. It was that diabolical “spirit” of V2 (which he refrains from mentioning) that the Modernists used to destroy* so much of the Church’s traditional beauty, reverence, piety and practices. Again, Cardinal Ratzinger : This schematism of a before and after in the history of the Church, wholly unjustified by the documents of Vatican II, which do nothing but reaffirm the continuity of Catholicism, must be decidedly opposed. Is there any wonder your thought processes are under scrutiny? Alfonso Bruno, the main opponent of Fr. Accordingly, he raged against the Order. These sorts of abuses are BTW directly and explicitly condemned by Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum, and its later accompanying doctrinal clarification. No, I did not read the rest of Fr Geiger’s article you linked to, nor do I intend to – I only read your extract. On the other hand, it is hardly surprising when statements by Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI are of higher general and particular qualities than those of Fr Geiger. Every year we are blessed to have at least three Franciscan friars of the Immaculate walking with us on the Chartres pilgrimage, and we get to know them well. The intriguers, that’s for sure, seem partly personal, but partly ideologically motivated. It is exceedingly hypocritical of him to condemn the “Spirit of Vatican II” here, when it was precisely that same “spirit” he accused his fellow friars of forsaking when he took his angry complaints to Rome, seeking to destroy the Order! A better question might be why do you continue to infer all sorts of stuff from my posts that has nothing to do with them ? mmvc is quite right BTW in her point that a larger group of more modernising friars within the FFI has turned what should have been a private, internal matter of discipline concerning the tiny minority that I mentioned into a public scandal. Kindness emerges when humanity is purged of egoism and it is only in the service of Christ that we can certainly find it. Shortly after the election of Pope Francis in March 2013, the Catholic world was shocked when the Vatican announced that the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate … Save 25-60% on Bulk Orders. “And never mind the atrociously offensive attempt to posit yourself as being in some manner of superiority…” Mark Dalaygon and Fr. There aren’t any indications so far. A reflection on holy perseverance. In imitation of St. Francis of Assisi, the friars seek to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, as a prophetic witness that life is a pilgrimage to the Father, of faith, hope, and love of God and neighbor, made possible by the Holy Spirit. Tragically, they were wrong! Thus, he decided by virtue of his powers as an absolute monarch. But if we do not take care to avoid giving credence to the heterodox opinions of that tiny minority within the FFI, by for example abusing the situation of the FFI as a means to attack the Ordinary Magisterium, then we are doing nothing other than perpetuating, deepening, and worsening the original abuses and objective heresies of that same tiny minority. 13. Together they outlined a form of life for the friars, sisters and the laity after the example of St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe, giving the fullest expression to the Marian dimension of St. Francis’ ideal and Rule. It seems plausible that the habitual abuses of the liturgy are linked to the form of the rite itself. Our Apostolic Life that is both Marian and Franciscan. It is the spirit by which it became necessary to create a compromise that shows us the true way. Dr. Scott Hahn. It is certainly a great grace to be given opportunity to persevere for long period of time as twenty-five years in religious profession. Magdalene P has pretty much summed it up…, ”…some tiny group of FFI friars and sisters of the associated women’s Order decided to take it upon themselves to abuse the Traditional Latin Mass..”. The Summit: To date, the Vatican has not given any reasons for this radical interference, let alone any charges. In order to exorcise the Order’s charisma, monasteries were closed, its seminary closed and evictions were carried out. [T]he Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate are not just a small religious order or congregation occupying a tiny niche of the Traditional Catholic world; with more than 130 priests, they are the second largest canonically-regular religious congregation or society among those that primarily or de facto exclusively offer the Traditional Latin Mass. The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate have been serving in Africa since 1991, specifically in Benin, Cameroon, and Nigeria. * they were not able to “destroy” them forever though; and one of the most positive realities of our times is the reawakening for so many of the Church’s hidden treasures of the Faith! The Vocation of the Friar Minor Franciscan formation is based upon a personal encounter with the Lord and begins with the call of God and the individual’s decision to walk with Saint Francis in the footsteps of the poor and crucified Christ as His disciple under the action of the Holy Spirit. Under Benedict XVI. Jabba, Jabba, Jabba….. Somethings just never change. Instead, that ‘tiny’ number of eight (some sources refer to five rebels) disgruntled friars sufficed for the adversary to ensure that his bidding would be done. Fr. Our radical choice to be totally consecrated to God reveals the primacy of God and the importance of saving souls. And what about Paul VI himself saying: This is according to reports by Vatican expert Andrea Tornielli on the online edition of Vatican insider. Meanwhile, Fr. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the details of that proposal really were. Thank you Kathleen (and others) for your clarity in thought and expression, elements that are sadly lacking in most/all of Jabba’ comments. Your quoting of the Council of Trent to me that took place over 550 years ago to defend the Church against the Protestants’ blatant and real abuses of the Mass, So, massive abuses of the Traditional Latin Mass are then possible, following your own words. Mario Castellano, the co-author with Loredana Volpi, was a consultant to Commissar Volpi. Bishop Barron on YouTube. But still highly offensive. Actually, I had a number of conversations with Fr Geiger back in the day (2013-15), and they were reasonably respectful on both sides. Catholic Minute – Ken Yasinski. So really, I do not know what, nor who of the FFI, you are referring to when you talk of “heterodox opinions” of a “tiny minority”! Chin up mate things can only get better. (Vatican Two became the catalyst for an unprecedented destruction of so much of the Church’s teachings and practice, due in part to these ambiguous passages that the Modernists honed in on, but there were NO new “doctrines”.). Have you now shot yourself in the foot? The way in front of state courts is at least open to Father Manelli and representatives of the lay organizations affiliated to the Order because the Vatican has no access to it. ( Log Out / Text: Giuseppe Nardi at Katholisches Info, Image: MiL / Chiesa e postconcilio / Corrispondenza Romana History of the the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in the... Our Apostolic Life that is both Marian and Franciscan, Our Marian-Franciscan Charism According to the Example of St. Maximilian Kolbe. If there were any genuine issues, they could and should have been dealt with internally. Change ). Everything before your “but” is most certainly true, however not that which follows — whereas in fact multiple heretical priests in the long history of our Church have abused the Mass as a means of spreading heresies. In no wise did the Council intend to introduce a temporal dichotomy in the Church. I disagree with a number of baseless facts you have come up with in your comment! Bishops were threatened if they accepted Franciscans of the Immaculate who left the Order. The Mission Of The Franciscans Of The Immaculate All over the world, the Family of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, Friars and Sisters, is moving step-by-step and from place to place, till the end of time, to lead all mankind to Heaven through the Immaculate. All of which as far as I know are to be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. What would happen to them if the good bishop died, or was transferred elsewhere? The conciliar documents do not give the real story. (Yes, Protestants could indeed “abuse” what they think is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but it would not be a valid Mass!) (I’d be obliged if you run this, for Jabba’s sake. He is the leader of that handful of rebel FI friars who betrayed his brothers by complaining to Rome that the Order was becoming too traditional and asking Pope Francis to intervene!! Believe it or not. The persecution came quickly with the present pontificate. What remains of the FFI – an Order, that as you well know, brought so much good to the Church at a time of tremendous battles against Modernists and Secularists – is in absolute disarray! Tosatti published excerpts from the letter of apology: “It is absolutely certain that the statements employed are […] not justified, being untrue, and for that reason they must be considered absolutely baseless and unjustified. Stefano Maria Manelli and Fr. In the Order, a tiny minority of five disgruntled, liberal brothers had complained because of the change to the Immemorial Rite in the Vatican. ” would it have been less offensive if I had said it was an untruth? However, in order for the message to arrive at the governing pope, who bears the responsibility for the whole case, Volpi must, as she had handed him a book, also make her apologies directly. But one could perhaps also understand that this might generate some bitterness among some of his former brethren. ... PhilMaria.Org is the official site of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the Philippines. Josemaria Barbin, FI by His Excellency Bishop Antonio Tobias at the Manila Cathedral. To escape prosecution, Loredana Volpi decided to come to an out of court settlement with the plaintiffs. Doctrine itself cannot be changed! Gabriel Maria Pellettieri. The Franciscans of the Immaculate were founded by the two Franciscan friars, Fr. Also, not only has Loredana Volpi “admitted to accusing the Order of unproven things” in her book in her fevered desire to vindicate her uncle, the Commissary, but she sums up saying the accusations there against the FFI were “untrue”, “baseless” and “unjustified”! And that many things may be comprised in a few words: first, as relates to covetousness:–they shall wholly prohibit all manner of conditions and bargains for recompenses, and whatsoever is given for the celebration of new masses; as also those importunate and illiberal demands, rather than requests, for alms, and other things of the like sort, which are but little removed from a simonical taint, or at all events, from filthy lucre. Are those dogmas? and election of Pope Francis. Yes – incredible, isn’t it! (and BTW, before you start jumping to conclusions again, I am aware of not a single FFI priest guilty of such horrendous apostasies, and please do try and NOT read into anything that I might write any “suggestions” not contained therein). The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (Latin: Congregatio Fratrum Franciscanorum Immaculatae; abbreviated FFI) is a religious institute founded in 1970 by Conventual Franciscans Stefano Maria Manelli and Gabriel Maria Pellettieri and canonically erected by Pope John Paul II in 1998. Fr. (Which it did of course, once Pope Francis arrived on the Chair of Saint Peter!) “tiny group of FFI friars and sisters of the associated women’s Order [who] decided to take it upon themselves to abuse the Traditional Latin Mass as a vehicle to provide some objectively heretical teachings…“ etc. The ultimate responsibility for this lies not only with Pope Francis, because he endorsed the interventions of the Congregation of Religious, but above all because he has put both the male and the female branch, which was also placed under provisional administration at a later time, with two separate actions he refused to appeal to the Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signatura against the measures of the Congregation of Religious. Together with Mario Castellano, she wrote the book “Truth and Justice for Father Fidenzio Volpi. Angelo M. Geiger Rorate Caeli recently “broke” the story of the suspensions of six clerics of our Institute who left their religious houses without permission in order to take “refuge” with “understanding bishops.” The ordination to the Sacred Priesthood of Rev. But what I was also teasingly pointing out to you was that going back 550 years to find a document condemning abuses in the heretics’ mockery of the Traditional Latin Mass is quite a long time . Disheartening suppression of the Franciscans of the Immaculate A substantial religious order of mostly youthful-vocations (the friars alone numbered 300 plus 120 postulants as of 2008), ... New Catholic's post HERE and call to prayer on behalf of the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate HERE. Manelli, who became the main beneficiary of the provisional administration of the Order, were probably included in the book. Job completed… he left! Besides, the Second Vatican Council itself, purely pastoral, proclaimed that no new “doctrines” would be made… although a few of its documents are indeed troublesome in places. It is seldom seen nowadays the association of kindness with being human. In their references in the book, they named the leading lay representatives by name. Today, the second Commissar, who is a bit more reserved than his predecessor, is in office today. IOW, a few other progressives of the Fr Geiger type! Whereas, sadly, almost wherever one looks today one can find abuses – sometimes even blatant heresies – being committed in the Novus Ordo Mass. Angelo M. Geiger : https://maryvictrix.com/2012/03/11/the-spirit-of-summorum-pontificum/. 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